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Kasalanan Ba Sa Mga Kristiano Ang Hindi Mangilin Ng Sabbath?

by , April 13, 2010     |     under Video Debates     |     , 26 comments

Topic: Kasalanan Ba Sa Mga Kristiano Ang Hindi Mangilin Ng Sabbath?

Affirmative: Bro. Ronald Obidos
Negative: Pastor Marvin Bagabaldo

Venue: San Andres, Manila, Philippines
Date: July 05 2009

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    26 Responses to “Kasalanan Ba Sa Mga Kristiano Ang Hindi Mangilin Ng Sabbath?”
    1. deyb says...

      hindi.. kasi hindi naman inutos sa kristyano na mangilin ng sabath kaya wala ka lalabagin kung nde ka mangingilin ng sabbath lalo na kung ang sabbath na alam mo ay ung araw na Sabado..

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      j2rbkk says:

      from Thailand flag on April 27th, 2010

      Your argument depends on “dapat mababasang inutusan” which is a very highly flawed reasoning.

      Para maging consistent ka i-aply mo yan sa ngyari kna Abraham at Mequisedec. Bakit nagbigay ng ikapu si Abraham..MABABASA BANG INUTUSAN SYA NG DIOS O NI MELQUISEDEC? Hinde. But then alam nating approve ung act na un sa Dios. In fact, He used it to teach His people about stewardship.

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      troy says:

      from Qatar flag on December 2nd, 2011

      anu pba ang pgkakaintindi mo sa talata ng exodus 20:8? dba sinabi dyan na Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy? pg sinabing remember hndi ba utos yan?

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    2. deyb says...

      ang kasalanan ay:
      1. paggawa ng labag sa utos
      2. hindi paggawa ng alam mong mabuti na dapat mong gawin

      kung wala utos na mangilin ng sabbath para sa kristyano, wala ka malalabag na utos kung hindi ka mangingilin..

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      j2rbkk says:

      from Thailand flag on April 27th, 2010

      [..wala utos na mangilin ng sabbath para sa kristyano..]

      Because “the Sabbath was made for man..(Mark 2:27)” at hindi lang sa Kristiano.

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      deyb says:

      from Philippines flag on May 28th, 2010

      “ang sabbath ginawa para sa tao???”

      ibig mo bang sabihin walang distinction sa mga utos sa mga kristiyano at mga unang lingkod ng Dios kagay nila moises kasi parepareho tayong tao? pag inutos b kna moises ibig sabihin utos din sa mga kristiyano?

      ang sabbath inutos noong panahon ni moises, kaya nga nde na rin nag observe ng sabbath si Kristo eh..binago na ni Kristo ang utos.. malinaw nmn ang pagbabago eh, noong panahon ni moises bawal pumatay, sa panahon natin bawal mapoot sa kaaway mo..kaya malinaw naiba na ang utos.

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      Karen says:

      from Kuwait flag on January 26th, 2012

      Samakatuwid, wala na ang kautusan na bawal and pumatay dahil pinalitan na ng bago at ito ay poot. Hindi na pala kasalan ang pumatay, tama ba?

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      Karen says:

      from Kuwait flag on January 26th, 2012

      Luke 4:16 And he (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

      Custom sa tagalog ay kaugalian. Sa isang salita, ang Panginoong Hesus ay laging sa sinagoga or simbahan tuwing Sabado.

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      Karen says:

      from Kuwait flag on January 26th, 2012

      Our God, the Creator was the first to sanctify the Sabbath Day. The 7th day is one of God’s creation.

      Gen. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

      The Sabbath day is the seal of God

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      deyb says:

      from Philippines flag on February 16th, 2012

      talaga lang ha.sumusunod kau sa utos sa lumang tipan ha.. dapat kapag me SDA na nagtatrabaho kapag sabado, dapat batuhin un hanggang mamatay..binabato nyo nga b? ung utos nung panahon ni moises kapag di mo sinunod dapat batuhin ka hanggang mamatay.. ganun nga b ginagawa nyo?

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      j2rbkk says:

      from Thailand flag on February 16th, 2012

      [ung utos nung panahon ni moises kapag di mo sinunod dapat batuhin ka hanggang mamatay.. ]

      Sinagot nyo na po mismo tanong nyo..sabi nyo ‘utos un ni Moises’. Iyon po ay isa sa kanilang Civil Laws.

      Ang sinusunod po namin ay batas ng Dios. Wala po sa 10utos ang batas ukol sa pagbabato.

      2Cor 5:10

      ian says:

      from United States flag on June 1st, 2010

      @deyb:
      Ang kasalanan ay paglabag sa kautusan. Ang Pangingilin ba ng Sabbath ay kautusan? Ang pag-sunod sa kautusan ay tugon sa kaligtasang binigay ng Panginoon ay para sa lahat ng tao.

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      zal says:

      from Thailand flag on July 27th, 2010

      ang hinahanap mo kase bro ay yong may mabasang word na “kristyano” kaya talagang di mo susundin…tama ba?

      ok…pasakalye lang to…medyo lihis pero may point, sa john 3:16 ba, may mabasa ka bang word na “tao” ron? ang binanggit don ay “world” pero bakit ang kahulugan ng world ay tao? ngayon, balikan natin ang topic, ang sabbath ay ginawa para sa tao…ke muslim ka man, budhist, kristyano, at kung ano ka pa,eh kabilang ka sa tao…therefore, mangilin ka ng sabbath. kasama sa moral law ang sabbath, kung di mo to sundin o ipangilin, therefore, magkakasala ka…

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    3. Ramil Sarmiento says...

      Tanong na dapat sagutin ng SDA:

      Yung mga Pariseo ba na NANGINGILIN NG SABBATH at nagpapatay kay Jesus, ay ililigtas ba ni Jesus?

      Ramil Sarmiento 0916 597 6582

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      ferdz says:

      from Philippines flag on June 1st, 2010

      Ramil lumilihis ka na sa topic..

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      ian says:

      from United States flag on June 1st, 2010

      Opo. ililigtas ni Jesus ang lahat ng tao maliban na lamang kung ayaw ng isang tao sa kaligtasan na ibinibigay ng Panginoon Jesus.

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      j2rbkk says:

      from Thailand flag on June 7th, 2010

      You are asking a matter of salvation of persons which only God knows the exact answer.

      I hope you also consider that the Person (Jesus) whom they killed is also a seventh-day Sabbath-keeper!

      Luke 2:52 Jesus “increased….in favor of God and man”.

      He will not be favorable to God if He violated God’s Sabbath. He will not be favorable to his countrymen (the Jews) if He violated the Sabbath.

      I encourage you to use the Forum instead since you have so many objections but are all answerable anyways.

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      deyb says:

      from Philippines flag on June 18th, 2010

      You are asking a matter of salvation of persons which only God knows the exact answer.

      hindi lang Dios ang me alam ng exact answer, alam din un ng mga lingkod nya kung paano ka maliligtas nakasulat yan sa I cor 15:1-2 “sa pamamagitan ng evengelio na itinuro ay ligtas kayo, kung matiyaga ninyong iingatan…” ano ipinalalagay mo sa Dios, hindi nya tinuturuan ng lubos ang mga lingkod nya kung paano maligats?? nagkakamali ka brod, sabi nga ni sn Pablo sa II Tim 3:16-17, tinuruang LUBOS sa lahat ng gawang mabuti!” ang tao ng Dios bihasa sa aral ng DIos kasi tinuturuan yan ng DIos, kaya alam namin kung paano kame maliligtas, nde kame nangangapa sa dilim gaya ng iba..

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      j2rbkk says:

      from Thailand flag on June 29th, 2010

      hindi po “kung PAANO maliligtas” ang issue.

      Ang pinag-uusapan po ay “kung ligtas ba ang mga Pariseo?”..which wala naman akong tutol kung hindi sila maliligtas.

      Ang point ko ay yung “status ng salvation” ang tinutukoy at TANGING DIOS LAMANG ang may final say tungkol jan.

      HWAG NYO PONG PAGLABU-LABUHIN ANG MGA TALATA.

      Iba po ang “PARAAN para maligtas” sa “status ng kaligtasa ng tao”.

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      Ramil Sarmiento says:

      from Philippines flag on June 21st, 2010

      Your answer reminds me of Jesus asking the Pharisees…Mat. 21:25 -27

      The Pharisees answered: We cannot tell, or in other words or versions, WE DON’T KNOW…
      Your answer = only God knows the exact answer = WE DON’T KNOW
      Yes you’re right and correct that God knows the answer, but your problem is, I am not asking God, I am asking YOU SDA. What is more, We (non-SDAs) also knows the exact answer. But you (the SDA) Sabbatharians, are in fact, hanged in a very dilemmatic situation like the Pharisees, unable to answer ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ … groping in the dark, seeking for the light and trying to escape…
      ……
      CONCLUSION:

      This is an outright admission on your part that the SDA DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER….

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      j2rbkk says:

      from Thailand flag on June 29th, 2010

      Hehehe.. Conclusion mo yan brod. But I NEVER SAID na “WE DON’T KNOW” the answer.

      Straw-man fallacy yan kabayan.

      I have my answer which is the same with yours..but i keep it for myself AND LET GOD HAVE THE FINAL SAY. He is the ultimate Judge and not you.

      HWAG NYO NAMAN MASYADONG PANGUNAHAN ANG DIOS.

      Anyway, pasok na po kayo sa Forum. Matagal na matagal na matagal na matagal ko na po kayong hinihintay doon.

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      Karen says:

      from Kuwait flag on January 26th, 2012

      Ang mga taong pumatay kay Hesus kahit sa kabila ng kanilang pangingilin ng Sabado ay ihindi maligtas, kung hindi sila humingi ng kapatawaran sa Diyos na may pagsisi.

      1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

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    4. ian says...

      Maliban po sa Sabbath, lahat po ba ng kautusan sa sampung utos ay inutos sa mga Kristyano?

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      Karen says:

      from Kuwait flag on January 26th, 2012

      Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day is a part of the ten commandments and therefore it is a commandment itself. The word remember implies that this law is the only law that most christians forget or refuse to follow. This law is also a reminder that there is God who created us in his own image.

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      Karen says:

      from Kuwait flag on January 26th, 2012

      Ang 10 utos ay dapat sundin ng tao kung mahal niya ang Poong Hukristo.(John 14:15)

      Ang sampong kautusan ay dinitalye ng Panginoong Hesus sa bagong tipan upan higit na maunawaan. Halimbawa, huwag magpatay. Ano ang mga aksiyon ng pagpatay? Kahit sa isip mo pa lang ang pumatay ay nakapatay ka na.

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    5. zal says...

      ginawa ang sabbath para sa tao….ngayon kung di ka tao eh di tama ka na hindi kasalanan ang “di mangilin ng sabbath”. Pero kung tao ka, eh show your love to the One who gave us the sabbath by keeping it.

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