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Offline sabadista

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mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« on: February 12, 2011, 01:47:48 AM »
minsan kong nakausap ang isang madre ng franciscan apostolic sister(isang caloliko) tungkol sa kanyang pag aming mga pagkakamali sa ilang paniniwala ng mga katoliko..

tulad ng pagpupunas ng panyo sa mga santo,, inamin nyang mali ang naging kultura ng mga filipino tungkol dito..

subalit ang nakakapagtaka sa mga rebilasyon nya.. ay kanila itong hinahayaan dahil ito daw ay kanilang ng nakalakihan at kaugalian..


huh.. kahit alam ng mali,,tuloy pa din?

sa nakakaalam ng matuwid at itoy hindi sinabi at ginawa.. ito'y kasalanan..
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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 12:51:09 AM »
yan ang sinasani na namanhid na sa kasalanan. henirohan ang kanilang budhi ng waring bakal na nagbabaga. 1Tim. 4:1-4

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 06:02:59 AM »
we honor the saints, we do not worship them. no amount of explanation can satisfy our non-Catholic friends because they are not familiar with Catholic worship. many of them do not distinguish between prayer and worship. to them, prayer is their highest form of worship. for Catholics, the highest form of worship is not prayer but the Mass which is Christ’s own sacrifice on Calvary, re-presented for us in space and time. all worship is prayer but not all prayer is worship.

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 08:17:20 AM »
"Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;
and turn away your faces from all your abominations."
-Ezekiel 14:6

The Catholic church declares unto all that are of her church to embrace and gather as many statues, medals, relics, and artifacts to themselves as a sign of holiness unto the Lord God. However, the Creator specifically states...

Exodus 20:4, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

Deuteronomy 29:17, "And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them:)

The Catholic church teaches it's followers to bow down before statues when in prayer. Anyone can walk into a Catholic church and see kneelers before every statue place within. However, the Creator specifically states...

Exodus 20:5, "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them,  nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of  them that hate me;"

Leviticus 26:1, "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a  standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God."

The Catholic church proclaims loudly that Jesus is dead and unable to help you. Walk into any Catholic church and you will see a DEAD Jesus on a cross, a DEAD Jesus in the arms of His mother, or an INFANT Jesus in the arms of His mother. However, look at the MEN and WOMEN depicted in statues. Look at Mary, Joseph, Peter, Anthony, and hundreds of other saints. They are all displayed as alive and well and very capable of helping you and hearing your prayers. However, it is written... 
Acts 25:19, "But had certain questions against him of their own superstition,  and of one Jesus, which was dead, whom Paul affirmed to be alive."

Matthew 28:6, "He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay."

The Angels were more concerned with us gazing  unto the place were Jesus lay, than the place where He hung!

The Catholic church declares that you must bow before and display acts of worship unto a MAN called Pope. The very  words of these Popes are such that they proclaim themselves "God on earth" for all Catholic to adore...

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself" -Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God  Almighty"  -Pope Leo XIII

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a  gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4 (For more info see "The Words of a Beast" page)

 However, the Word of God exposes them graphically when it is written...

Romans 1:25, "Who changed the truth of God into a lie,  and worshipped and  served the creature more than the  Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

The Catholic church declares that all should pray unto Mary, Joseph, Therese, and hundreds of other saints. The Catholic church even goes so far at to  declare Mary as your Saviour!

May 7, 1997 (David W. Cloud,  Fundamental Baptist News  Service, 1701 Harns Rd., Oak Harbor, WA 98277) - On May 7  Pope John Paul II dedicated  his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all  Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken  by  Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John-- "Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy  mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in  this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC  MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He  concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION" (Ibid.).

However, Jesus said rather plainly...  John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him,  I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The Catholic church demands that all it's members wear medals, crucifixes, scapulars, etc. Even the demons that appear unto them masquarading as Mary and Jesus state... 

 "Wear the brown Scapular  and other sacramentals." Also it states everyone should "-Keep the statues in your homes." -Bayside "The Lourdes of America"  Jesus and Mary Speak to the World Through Veronica Lueken 

 "Wear any size crucifix that you can find. It does no have to be big or small, but an image of My Son" Directives from Heaven  From the vision of "-Our Lady, Sept. 7 1985"


 "You must keep them upon you, with a crucifix. We demand a  crucifix. Directives from Heaven  From the vision of "-Jesus, June 18, 1987" 

The Pope himself stated in 1981, "When Pope John Paul II was shot and operated on in 1981, he told doctors not to remove the brown scapular he was wearing. One of the two "most recommended" devotions of the Church... Pope John Paul is convinced that Our Lady of Mount Carmel, along with Our Lady of Fatima, saved him from the bullets of Mehmet Ali Agca. [See Inside the Vatican, July 2001, page 44] The Virgin Mary appeared at the final apparition of Fatima (Portugal) and at Lourdes (France) wearing the brown scapular.
The pontiff, a Third Order Carmelite, has worn the scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel since he was a young boy. He frequent asks Our Lady of Mount Carmel to help him make important decisions. -by John Drogin, ITV staff writer Vatican Magazine

If only the Catholics would  open their Bibles and see that what these demons  are saying, and what the Word has penned are two different things! For it is  written...
1 John 4:1, "Beloved,  believe not every  spirit, but try the spirits whether they  are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."  Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 

The Catholic church declares that Jesus Christ  incarnate is in the Catholic Eucharist that is made with human hands. It also states rather boldly that...

   "If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most  Holy Eucharist (communion wafer) are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood  together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ,  but says that He is in it only as a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema." (One exhausted  definition of "Anathema" = To be damned and put to death) Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent. Original text with English translation, by Rev. H.J. Schroeder, O.P., B. Herder Book Co. 1960, p.79, Canon 1.

The Creator God could not have said it plainer when it was written...   
Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

http://www.remnantofgod.org/idols.htm

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 08:42:10 AM »
Exodus 20:4 (New International Version)

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

versus:

Exodus 25:18-20 (New International Version)

18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.

check that out brader

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 08:48:36 AM »
Exodus 20:4 (New International Version)

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

versus:

Exodus 25:18-20 (New International Version)

18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.

check that out brader

I'm sorry but it is wrong analogy Father Abe, the cherubim images is not designed to be displayed to the public and worshipped...can you read from the OT that ANY Israelites or even a single High Priest bowed downed and worshiped the Cherubim images on the Ark?? Next question is to all Catholics here, can you SEE and WITNESS how the Catholic people and their Priests bowed down and worshiped the idols not only of Angels but of God?? Not to mention the Pope? Come on think further....

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 08:52:42 AM »
e ito pagsamba rin ba ito
 
basa......... otherwise na lang mr. obidos hindi mo naiintidihan yong nasa picture
 

 
ayan ha nagpatirapa pa dyan si jhosua
 
JOsua 6:7
6 At hinapak ni Josue ang kaniyang mga suot, at nagpatirapa sa lupa sa harap ng kaban ng Panginoon hanggang sa kinahapunan, siya at ang mga matanda ng Israel
 
Ah yan oh mr. obidos harap harapan siya don sa kaban nang tipan.? NAKALUHOD.
 
paano ba yan

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 09:11:51 AM »
e ito pagsamba rin ba ito
 
basa......... otherwise na lang mr. obidos hindi mo naiintidihan yong nasa picture
 

 
ayan ha nagpatirapa pa dyan si jhosua
 
JOsua 6:7
6 At hinapak ni Josue ang kaniyang mga suot, at nagpatirapa sa lupa sa harap ng kaban ng Panginoon hanggang sa kinahapunan, siya at ang mga matanda ng Israel
 
Ah yan oh mr. obidos harap harapan siya don sa kaban nang tipan.? NAKALUHOD.
 
paano ba yan

Magkaiba ang KABAN at yung MERCY SEAT/COVERING na nasa ibabaw ng tipan na kinalalagyan ng CHERUBIM....ang pinababasa ko LUMUHOD MISMO SA IMAGES NG ANGHEL! Ang liwanag nga sa picture mo dito hindi nakatapat yung pagluhod sa mga cherubim eh so mas pabor sa akin ito kesa sa iyo!

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 09:12:57 AM »
Isa pa kung susundin mo ng literal yang talata na yan...TINUTUPAD MO BA NGAYON YAN SA SIMBAHAN NINYO??? Saan ka actual na lumuluhod ngayon sa KABAN ng simbahan o sa IMAHEN???

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 09:16:00 AM »
Kaya naman pala ganyan ang pananaw mo ay mali ang definition mo ng idols...

Yung pera, bahay, yung possessions mo pwedeng maging idols, alam mo ba yun?

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 09:17:54 AM »
at isa pa,  tingnan mo mr. obidos

Nananalangin sila sa harap ng ark of convenant para don makipag-tagpo kay lord

Ayan Oh!



O devah harap harapan silang nananalangin sa harap nang ARK OF COVENANT

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 09:18:36 AM »
Ops ops ops....wag mo babaguhin ang paksa ha lumalayo ka na naman .... sagutin mo kapag nagsisimba ka ba saan ka lumuluhod sa KABAN o sa IMAGES???

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 09:25:22 AM »
o kitam mr.obidos

so hindi mo na matutulan na hindi porke lumuhod sa imahe ay bawal na

tama ba ako

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Re: mga tradisyon at maling paniniwala,binuking ng isang madre!
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 09:29:11 AM »
Kaw kasi ang sumira sa stand mo eh sinipi mo pa yung Joshua 6:7 na ganito pa ang pagsipi mo:

JOsua 6:7
6 At hinapak ni Josue ang kaniyang mga suot, at nagpatirapa sa lupa sa harap ng kaban ng Panginoon hanggang sa kinahapunan, siya at ang mga matanda ng Israel

Ito nagpahamak sa iyo dahil iba nasa isip mo at iba ang sinasabi ng talata...kaya tinatanong kita ulit di kita lulubayan dito:

AYON SA TALATA SAAN NAGPATIRAPA?? SA KABAN O SA IMAHEN?? NGAYON PAG NAGSISIMBA KA SAAN KA NAGPAPATIRAPA SA KABAN O IMAHEN??

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 09:47:28 AM »
nasan ba nakalagay ang image of the angel ikaw talaga o